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Would you mind giving me the names of the "several people" spouting this alpha-male nonsense, so I know to never date them?

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Pierceheart
pierceheart at 2010-11-16 17:04 (UTC) (Link)
You already have the name, that of the OP, who comes across as "Now, this might sound sexist, but someone else said it, so don't kill the messenger."
Renfield
cuddlycthulhu at 2010-11-16 17:17 (UTC) (Link)
That's like the person who asks "So, a friend of mine wants to know..."
Deb is Consistently Inconsistent
corvaxgirl at 2010-11-16 17:16 (UTC) (Link)
Ugh, don't even get me started on so-called alpha males. Twenty bucks says he considers himself one but won't take the responsibility for calling himself one.
Renfield
cuddlycthulhu at 2010-11-16 17:18 (UTC) (Link)
My bet is he considers himself one, does not find himself dripping with women, and wonders what he's doing wrong.
Total fuckup with great taste in music
arabwel at 2010-11-16 17:16 (UTC) (Link)
Do you read Finnish? cause this has been a MASSIVE ton of stupid-ass BS spouted in the FInnish blogosphere about "Lovwer level men" and how lack of sex is a masculinist issue and so on and so on and so on - including the polyamory angle. I have not followed it very closely but it is perfectly understandable that he'd want to get a more international opinion on the issue.

I've known
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Do you read Finnish? cause this has been a MASSIVE ton of stupid-ass BS spouted in the FInnish blogosphere about "Lovwer level men" and how lack of sex is a masculinist issue and so on and so on and so on - including the polyamory angle. I have not followed it very closely but it is perfectly understandable that he'd want to get a more international opinion on the issue.

I've known <lj-user=xuenay> for a good 11 years or so and he is about as far from sexist asshat as you can get. He is definitely not one of the people spoiuting the "But what about the lozer menz?" Bs.
sxxk1ttn
sxxk1ttn at 2010-11-16 17:54 (UTC) (Link)
i think i'm confused as to why he- as an "as far from sexist asshat as you can get" kinda guy- is even deigning to give such a prerogative this amount of mental weight in the first place. especially since you point out it is a topic and perspective held by masculinists.

people are at the far end of being invested in feminist discourse and ideology wouldn't consider this to be a legitimate exercise in mental gymnastics to begin with for any number of psychological, social, biological, financial, etc etc reasons, not just feminist ones. it wouldn't matter what the international opinion is because it's a flawed argument in the first place. the only reason one would need to get confirmation internationally would be to validate a personally held opinion, otherwise it's so absurd that you certainly don't need to validate that internationally since you don't subscribe to it so it doesn't matter what the other kids at school think.
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eelsalad
eelsalad at 2010-11-16 18:35 (UTC) (Link)
lack of sex is a masculinist issue

Wow, my ex needs to learn Finnish so he can hang out with those dudes. He once wrote an entire manifesto about the cosmic injustice of his inability to get laid.

*eyeroll*
Miraba
miraba at 2010-11-16 17:46 (UTC) (Link)
Holy gender issues, Batman!
Sarcasticia Nitpickerson
tisiphone at 2010-11-16 18:30 (UTC) (Link)
/serious hat on

I'm guessing this argument is an extension from observation of what has occurred in some FLDS polygamist communities, where younger men are expelled from the community while older and more powerful men have multiple wives. So that is in fact a situation where non-monogamy (though not nearly polyamory) has resulted in a case of a small group of "alpha males" with a large number of women and all the other men out in the cold. Although I really can't see that happening in any sort of reality-based polyamory community, and it's completely antithetical to the notion that women, too, can have multiple partners, it's easy to see how someone who swallows evo psych like it's chocolate ice cream and doesn't know a lot about the various flavors of non-dyadic relationships could make that logical leap.

/serious hat off

/snark hat on

What an eejit.


Edited at 2010-11-16 06:33 pm (UTC)
Total fuckup with great taste in music
arabwel at 2010-11-16 19:28 (UTC) (Link)
I suggest you check the links on his LJ to stuff like h is recent article on evo psych being a bunch of baslls, to paraphrase. He's far less of an eejit than you'd think
enemy of Leon
friend_of_tofu at 2010-11-16 20:23 (UTC) (Link)
I can pretty much boil my opinion on such topics to "LOL ALPHAS".
The Empress of Ice Cream
icecreamempress at 2010-11-16 21:18 (UTC) (Link)
I really am on my last nerve with people talking about "alpha" humans. Humans are not pack animals like wolves. And wolves have complicated social structures that do not, in fact, boil down to "alpha male wolf is king!"
The Empress of Ice Cream
icecreamempress at 2010-11-16 21:17 (UTC) (Link)
If, as suggested upthread, this gentleman is saying "What do you think of this theory" I would respond that the theory is a gigantic sack of crap.

Also, a community posting that requires extensive knowledge of the philosophical orientation of the person posting it to be understood "correctly" probably isn't the best thought out posting.

Sarcasticia Nitpickerson
tisiphone at 2010-11-16 21:32 (UTC) (Link)
But why didn't we read his entire oeuvre first! It's so unfair!
Kaj Sotala (Xuenay)
xuenay at 2010-11-16 22:16 (UTC) (Link)
Incidentally, http://lesswrong.com/lw/2ee/unknown_knowns_why_did_you_choose_to_be_monogamous/27d8?c=1&context=1#27cf has some of those "several people" mentioned (to the people suspecting me of sharing those opinions and just claiming them to be someone else's, you may want to note that I was arguing against them there).
Leora
leora at 2010-11-17 00:07 (UTC) (Link)
Starting to scan through that thread, until I got bored, it seems to be missing two important points:

Not everyone wants the same amount of time from a partner. One of the significant benefits one of my partners gets from me being poly is me spending less time with him, but still being okay with the relationship with him. He likes a lot of time for himself. There's nothing wrong with that, and I like a lot of time for myself too, but not to the same extent he does. So, he actively benefits from having less of me.

Not everyone should be in a relationship. An ideal system doesn't match everyone up. It allows relationship opportunities for the people able to handle being in relationships. But it's actively better if the "bottom tier" by some definitions isn't able to find anyone, if the people in the bottom are less desirable because they are abusive or otherwise dangerous to be with or simply are not yet/currently ready to be in a relationship. It is better to be single than to be with someone really bad. But it's even better to be with someone it works out well with (for most people). So, a system that forces the least desirable people to be single isn't necessarily a bad one, if the least desirable people are actually not desirable for very good reasons.
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danceswthcobras
danceswthcobras at 2010-11-17 03:46 (UTC) (Link)
....examining a theory and holding it up for discussion means you're defending the theory? Really? Misplaced snark, IMO.
cinema_babe
cinema_babe at 2010-11-18 19:36 (UTC) (Link)
Well luckily, a critical mass doesn't agree with you and we can all participate in this rollicking thread.
Renfield
cuddlycthulhu at 2010-11-20 07:40 (UTC) (Link)
I swear to god, I step away from the thread for one moment...
ever so slightly obsessed
scien at 2010-11-20 11:19 (UTC) (Link)
You know, the title of this post was more accurate than you could have realised at the time of writing it! Enjoying the email deluge?
Jenni
ladydreamtime at 2010-11-20 16:31 (UTC) (Link)
And people say LJ is dead...
wszystkim życzymy źle nam z oczu patrzy
darquis at 2010-11-21 02:12 (UTC) (Link)

if the comments catch a bad case of the deletions...

Screengrab refused to touch this entry, so I saved the entire unfurled epic thing as HTML. The source file itself is 1.7MB.
cinema_babe
cinema_babe at 2010-11-22 05:33 (UTC) (Link)
Hey, I wonder if this has set some kind of record for "Most Comments"?
Mr. Dr. Grumpy Mister, M.D. aka the Twelfth Doctor
kwanboa at 2010-11-29 06:41 (UTC) (Link)
Holy shit BALLS, what in the sodding fuck happened to this entry while I was off having Thanksgiving? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!
maestrodog
maestrodog at 2010-12-03 22:11 (UTC) (Link)
No worries yet...still has quite a bit more to go before it catches up with sweet potato dog!
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